uberti proof marks
0000039418 00000 n For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The first proof mark, which appears on all weapons produced in Italy since 1950, is a star within a wavy edged circle (I have seen this described as lands and grooves of rifling) above a crest in a shield. check out the. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. #6. Italy" is on the bottom of the barrels. The Old Model started production in 1861 with the slightly improved New Model Army coming out in 1863 . I think it is probably a newer reproduction just wanted to check safety of shooting it. ix)]'Aa-;O;KGg 6+Rg^vF$^og>XxZaNz:E Recently bought a Uberti Walker with a CB date code, so I'm pretty sure about those last two codes. Ther are no markingsunder the wood grips. I have a.s.m.black powder only cal. 0000105711 00000 n To become a member $3 for one day $7 one month or $15 one year Click to join here. The top of the barrel is marked "A. UBERTI & C. GARDONE V.T. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. My heart bleeds for you gun lovers in the U.K. I have .36 caliber 1851 navy model with the markings, black powder only made in Italy on the barrel and the 3 standardized proof house marks on the other side but I dont see any of the Italian makers marks, except for a name of HUBERTUS in a rectangular box. Each manufacturer also stamps or engraves their own name and/or logo on the various guns that they produce. 0000005921 00000 n If this were a copy of an 1873 Winchester, youd have to choose 44-40 (or 38-40) for authenticity, but if youre shooting the 1860 Henry in those matches, it doesnt matter which incorrect caliber you choose. any one know who manuf. i Have a black powder pistol with the star circle over PN with AC in a square next to it and the crossed rifles with the star circle over it and it has 2115 R a P over an R and FTE Italy on the butt. See Attachment 5. "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not" - Thomas Jefferson. Partly because of that problem and partly because of the high price, $2300, we gave the rifle a Grade: C rating. 0000027918 00000 n My wife and grand kids and my kids. You need to take the buttstock off & look on the receiver. 0000003744 00000 n Pit Bull Tex maybe I can get a little more info. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. 0000010481 00000 n Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments We thought this would be an excellent gun for Cowboy Action matches if you favor the 45 LC, as some of us do. Black powder firearms | Muzzle Loading Rifle Reviews | Gun Mart Happy New Year! Black Powder Date Codes. Part Owner of the Irish Cattle Company, Held hostage in NY(But I'm spying on the Yankees), Shooting, Old British Motorcycles,Shooting, Harleys, Shooting.SV188 If you take the grips off there could be a mark on the brass underneath. Length of pull - 13 1/8" (to center of buttplate) Approx. e"GK((((JYWo b>G{9NLc>O4N&+ n2 The serial number range is 75918 to 75985 with one outlier-75255 (a .22). This gun has no Italian proof marks and is not marked blackpowder only. We also tried, but did not record, Remington factory ammo and some handloads. We found the barrel flats to be properly done. I suspect your CR is really a poor stamping of CB, which would be 2007. The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. The Springfield Trapdoor held the new, more powerful .45-70 military cartridge. I was born there LO these many years ago, but in 1977 I came to the United States, and have enjoyed FREEDOMS such as I never dreamed of as a British SUBJSCT! endstream endobj 43 0 obj <> endobj 44 0 obj <>stream The Winchester won a clear victory in that head-to-head test of lever actions, but we were intrigued by the Henry nonetheless. 0000011827 00000 n 35 0 obj <> endobj Also included is the origianal cardboard wood grain box and waxed wrapping paper. The bottom tang has a proof mark with a "U" inside of it. 0000050889 00000 n Last but not least we have Euroarms, which prior to December, 2001, was known as Armi San Paolo. 0000002445 00000 n 12) Pedersoli sometimes stamp their name on the inside of the lock. any information would be of help. Markings:The left side of the barrel is marked NAVY ARMS CO. RIDGEFIELD N.J. MADE IN ITALY and there are Italian proof marks at the chamber including the date code AA. We believe the original Henry rifles (from the 19th century) had blued parts, but there were some finish variations in the 1866 and 1873 rifles that followed it, so we believe its possible some of the original Henrys had case-hardened parts. I bought a 36 Cal. If you wish to send some photographs to the magazine I'm sure they will forward them to me and I may be able to help you more. 0000006802 00000 n Make: Uberti. UBERTI ITALY and the serial number. What others? 0000057470 00000 n Powered by Invision Community. Thanks. The left side of the frame has Italian proof marks. 13) Were it not for the proof marks this Uberti could easily be passed off as an original Colt. Once this unconstitutional law is struck down or repealed, this restriction will be removed. While the stock finish was mighty hard, it had none of the milkiness that Henrys rifle had. 0000004339 00000 n 0000001989 00000 n But when you close the lever to the firing position, that round is not brought up into battery. The Remington ammo was balky on entering the chamber. I have a muzzleloading pistol with IGE on it and says Italy .44 cal. Wayne, you do not say whether or not these pistols are held on a firearms certificate. Derek Landers, I have one single shot black powder handgun, percussion, brass frame steel barrel. . black powder side by side deringer And it has no markings, How can a guy find out who makes it?? The operation of the action is smooth and the fit of the action's side plates is excellent. Prior to 1954 the year of proof was stamped on the guns in Arabic numerals, but this new coding system was introduced around the time of the first reproductions. You could always ask Val Forgett at Navy Arms,Here is his facebook page where you can contact him, https://www.facebook.com/Navy-Arms-Firearms-326497049152/?fref=ts. This stands for Armi Chiappa in reference to Rino Chiappa, the companys founder. 0000052647 00000 n 0000008989 00000 n Black Powder Arms - Welcome If you can send some pics of the guns and close ups of the marks to the magazine they should forward them to me and I may be able to help. The main difference between Taylor's and Cimirron will be the Importer's Marks. Now well known names like Uberti, Pedersoli, Pietta, Armi Sport, Euroarms and Palmetto have set up their factories in the area along with the myriads of small specialist makers. The crest consists of crossed rifles with bayonets and a hammer and anvil. Each and every one of these guns must undergo testing at the Proof house and be stamped with the appropriate acceptance marks. The magazine held 13 rounds, despite the manual saying it was 10. Uberti set the standard for producing quality replica firearms by which all others are judged. 2405 PrOOF mark CirCa PrOOF hOuse tYPe OF PrOOF and gun since 1856 Birmingham provisional proof for barrels since 1637 London definitive black powder proof for shotguns,muzzle loader barrels 1811-1892 Liege black powder proof for rifles 1897-1923 Liege black powder proof for rifles The "1858 Remington" is a modern collector's term for the Remington New Model Army. it is scratched badly with sand paper in a horrible restore. Some proof marks on side of frame and the roman numeral XX. The second proof mark is a similar star and circle, slightly larger, above the letters PN. Reaction score. The action proof marks were under the action just behind the loading platform. The National Weapons Catalog was introduced in Italy in 1975 and the number 1487 refers to the UBERTI MOD. Top of the barrel says "wesson" right side, looking down range says .50 cal black powder only. The most famous of these is probably Ubertis representation of the muzzle of an octagonal barrelled gun, showing the front sight and rifling in the barrel, with a letter U in the bore. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. The largest market for these weapons is the U.S.A. and some of the larger American importers often have their own names stamped on the guns. If thats not true and the dull case coloring offends you, rub the parts with cold blue and call it good. 0000008724 00000 n Behind that were two Italian proof marks. Our sample Uberti Yellow Boy rifle was very well made and finished. how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army [Archive There were a good many very small "family shops" in the Gardone, Brescia area of Italy . I have one 4 revolving barrel handgun, percussion, double action, looks like 36 caliber. 1860." In the early days of the Navy Arms / Uberti connection, Gregorelli actually produced the metal parts for the revolvers and Uberti assembled them. I have to disagree with Zonie just a bit. Apart from a cursory glance I suppose many of you will have paid scant attention to the markings on your modern made black powder reproduction. It was made in 1980 and has all of the standard proof marks but I don't know who manufactured the rifle. The sights were identical to those found on the Henry Henry, the rear having all the same little cuts, holes, notch contours, elevation slide and markings as on the other rifle. I can't find it through their pictures. FREE! Prior to 1975 ASM stamped the datecode in Roman numerals on the right side of the frame, along with the proofmarks. This mark was also introduced in 1950. Finally, as a collector of antique weapons, I have to say that I would not like these marks to be omitted entirely. 10) Uberti name and address stamping from 1975. 0000012438 00000 n Bore Condition:The bore is mostly bright with sharp rifling. Navy Arms Uberti replica Rolling Block .22 Hornet 9.5 Single-Shot According to a web site this is the Italian date code for 1977. Nov 8, 2007. We found all the controls to be smooth, including the loading gate at the front of the rifle. 0000002052 00000 n the one I have is in the 2,000 serial range. Wed buy this one instantly if we wanted a brass gun for fun. Likewise, many of the Winchester or Sharps rifle clones will have been manufactured in the same area. As with all previously owned firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards. 0000078548 00000 n Even has the same box. A copy of a letter dated June 6, 1988 on the Aldo Uberti & Co. letterhead to Kevin Cherry (Cherrys, 2703 High Point Rd., Greensboro, NC 27403) showing the model (all are single action rev.), barrel length (4 , 5 , 7 and 10 inches) and caliber (.44 Mag., .22Conv., .22 LR and .22 CAL), and serial numbers of 65 revolvers. ASM puts that info on the bottom of the frame adjacent to the barrel lug when the datecodes were alpha characters in a rectangle. 79 0 obj <>stream 0000007873 00000 n Uberti M1871 .357 Magnum Single-Shot 9.5 Rolling Block Pistol MFD 1980 how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army - Gunloads.com Uberti dating/proofing codes. - The Firing Line Forums 7) Mark on a recent Euroarms revolver. On a visit to the Uberti factory I saw an example of an aged Colt 1860 Army revolver and had it not been for the Italian marks it could very easily have passed as an original. I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks. Hello, I have a .36 caliber 1851 navy model with markings stating, black powder only made in Italy and the 3 Markings identifying the standardized proof house marks on the other side, but I cant find anywhere the markings of the Italian makers except for a marking that says HUBERTUS in a rectangular box, can you maybe give me some more info. Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil. Our first glance at the Uberti test model was extremely satisfying. They were produced by Gregorelli and Uberti. 0000000016 00000 n 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Every percussion revolver that Colt made has been reproduced by one or other of these companies. Okiepan. b` I"G3M9YCNxB5)f(1TVVA |7dZgM gBg >noPow l+zyU"^-0x5LH2O4~3z1RuYC.5,CJc38Z"(:o0IoJ(V-7Lvh{_.#DAh8 0000001791 00000 n 0000105361 00000 n Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Uberti/Colt Prototype Single Action Revolvers | Colt Forum 0000003020 00000 n Uberti makes five versions of this rifle. PDF PROOF MARKS ProoF MarKs - NRA Museum It just seems that a little more care in their placement could result in more acceptability and perhaps more sales to the purists. Next is the mark which has "PN" - the Gardone & Brescia 1st Black Powder Proof mark used since 1959. Both made in 1976 it has markings but no manufacture marks I would like to know who made them ? <<9CAB7C9ADE9DBB4DB23FAD02FA255802>]>> (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)/*^I*Yt} FSYD"}di)IK n!Hhf$=o:k$y}$*&L(\G'zyKdlG?Q\7>>SSV6K#OqDSIpzNh~~ x #=l%l&U ps~31H^$qB^7'0]?Ew#E=9+|uL>k/,xS-7wiN=KqOF` m2; ul_w`N` Lv endstream endobj 36 0 obj 741 endobj 37 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 36 0 R >> stream This restriction is made under protest, but we have to do this to comply with Californias infringement on the freedoms of speech and association of the NRA and our members, supporters, and the general public. 357 MAG." and features several Italian proof marks. There have been few days since my arrival here in late 1977, that I have not carried a gun, either on my hip, or beneath my left armpit. Heres what we found. how to tell Pedersoli from Pietta on 1858 Remington New Army, "You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. I find the Uberti's closer to the originals , and the new CNC forged frames appeal to my idea of greater strength & closer tolerances. fW5Zi|Fki"Mf4i{~9wY C [[8jD=z"ef ~ZckGWE(}vE|4 I am aware of the 1861 Whitney and the Spiller and Burr. There were ultimately 5 variations of the Remington Rolling Block pistol culminating with the Model 1871. That was another problem with the $900-more-costly Henry version. The only marks are "NAVY ARMS CO" on the left side of the frame and on the barrel top flat, on the right side of the barrel "MADE IN ITALY" and the letters "GU" in script. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as "45 COLT." The left side of the barrel had the importer's name and Uberti's name tastefully small. The walnut stock had some lovely tiger-striping in it that our photos might not pick up, and inletting was excellent. Italian date stamps. Then I saw a Henry Repeating Arms 1860 Original and absolutely fell in love. there are other marking but they are not readable. {Za%a\#XDs9dE;*ci8=agercR"Vf|^z 96MXKk8}vd+X0L@skz j> 'th,6bB%t%]iNjNyksz+l4 C2&y*8NOalS?E:{'-~+[+GOk-cOcJ( oGljoR_Gb }6[w;vd ! endstream endobj 34 0 obj 782 endobj 35 0 obj << /Filter /FlateDecode /Length 34 0 R >> stream Note! The right side of the octagonal chamber is marked "CAL. I have always wanted one of my own so about 12 years ago I purchased a Uberti 1860 Henry and absolutely loved it! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); You have entered an incorrect email address! "I'll help you down the trail and proud to!" Remingtons bullet had a slight shoulder, which was part of the problem. The quality, fit, finish, smooth function, bluing and the absolutely gorgeous wood stock! and the accuracy of the Henry over my Uberti was amazing! so two years ago I bought one and have not been one tiny bit disappointed with the fact that I paid a thousand dollars more, its worth every penny and its American made. Recent Euroarms pistols have been observed with a new mark which looks like a letter N surrounded by four triangles. I'm looking for information on what models of revolvers were made by Palmetto Arms. Cylinder tight when trigger pulled all the way back. C.-{.-~Q~vVW?[.aMF^fV?4J/:50fb0L@w6l=lMaCFnO,ta#ip:xCr3A?Z[Hi6? It was sold through Beeman's catalog in 1984. Thanks for the info Gaz. These are very scarce and near impossible to find in such fine original condition. The cartouche is 3 "R"s each inside the other. 0000001338 00000 n To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Our impression was that this is how the 1860 Henry is supposed to look. See Attachment 4. It is in the 2,000 serial range and has GU mark. Thank you. Springfield Trapdoor Rifle | Uberti USA Replica Rifles and Revolvers I have a black powder 6 shot revolver with no serial numbers, proof marks or name of manufacturer or importer. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. If you shoot a reproduction muzzle loading pistol or rifle, the chances are it was made in the Brescia area of northern Italy. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. All the controls worked smoothly, and our range session was most pleasant. 0000004778 00000 n The top of the barrel is marked A. Italian reproduction date markings - SASS Wire Forum Our handloads were a touch hotter than the PMC, and maybe shot a touch better. Uberti Date Code | The Muzzleloading Forum There are no chips or cracks. were all sharp enough to cut the hands. Listed were 65 breech load revolvers (Stallion, Cattleman, Buckhorn and Phantom model names) and one muzzle load revolver Paterson prototype. Perfect timing. Could it be possible proof marks and makers marks were filed off of it. Good luck on your bid! I think it is a new Army 1858 but the Navy Arms on the top of barrel confuses me. 0000002293 00000 n There are some light nicks, scuffs and handling marks on the pistols metal surfaces. There are already a number of these fakes out there, just waiting for the unwary and uninformed, and there are those who would welcome the opportunity to provide even more. First Year of Production Navy Arms, 1851 Navy Revolver If the pistol has no visible marks it is almost impossible to determine the manufacturer. This is not one of the standard Pedersoli or Pietta proof marks, nor is it a Uberti proof mark. Code numbers, catalog numbers, model names, calibers and barrel lengths were detailed. Hi, Dennis Proof marks of the Uberti rifles - SASS Wire - SASS Wire Forum 1860. The top tang of the action held the designation MOD. We'll start about there. It will come as no surprise then to find that the Italian Proof House is also in the valley. was founded in 1959 and has always used a capital U sur-rounded by an octagonal device, which is actually the muzzle of an 1851 Navy . Metal to metal fit very precise, ditto for wood grips to back strap. The edges between them were sharp enough and, sighting along the flats, we found them to be dead level. You are using an out of date browser. In the picture below you can see first the year of manufacture "BM" indicating it was made in 1999. 0000064924 00000 n .22 Long Rifle" is marked twice around the circumference of the cylinder at the rear along with two proof marks. Where can I find them.Got a 22 cal I would like to find out about.1866,from Navy Arms no name or modle. r2 e< 1{Vk)} We cleaned the Uberti and went right to work at the range, and the rifle did all it could to please us. PDF Unraveling The Mystery Of Icons - ACWSA We dont think thats necessary, however it looked mighty nice. As for value comes with box and back powder flask. I believe Henry Krank may have de-activated examples of these. The Italian proof marks should have a rectangular or square box with a date code in it. I have a Uberti made .44 Mag. I have a 62 cal, shield inlay, short stock, palm tree markings, liverpool on the side plate. trailer February 18, 2016 in SASS Wire. To my amazement, I found another Uberti/Colt .22 single action at Collector Firearms' web site . this ? Click Here to log in. >RPo$Q2y4%TCpu352ji%:@"BHUSYX}n CQCY}B%I"T4~S-2 +{gzIE$Or}a;nY 98cjdi (1 D,)} Again photographs are the first step in identification. Our Assessment:This Uberti replica of the Remington Rolling Block pistol is a single-shot pistol chambered for more modern .22 Hornet rounds. Our Team Said: We thought the Uberti 1860 Henry was as good a rifle as any weve tested, modern or otherwise. Thanks you in advance, Wayne, I am trying to identify the value of the black power gun,armi san marco, it has a # on barrel, You can contact Pietta at . 0000050991 00000 n 0000001770 00000 n there is no calibre or name on it. There is no Roman numerals on this 1851. Posted December 23, 2014. It consists of the letters dp inside an oval and is usually followed by the name DAVIDE PEDERSOLI or PEDERSOLI. Thats not enough recommendation for us to invest in the Henry Original, so we began looking for a similarly styled levergun and found the Uberti version of 1860 Henry for a lot less money. Behind that were two Italian proof marks. 0000005085 00000 n http://www.powderhombre.com/mbpproofmarks.pdf You must have Adobe or similar software to read pdf files. Just wondering what firm F.A.R.A was/is? To our joy, the rifle had a decent trigger pull, 6.2 pounds and free of creep. It has an AE inside a box which indicates a 1979 manufacturing date. Whilst the makers marks are there principally for advertising and recognition, the proof marks and serial number are obligatory and will always take the same form. The rifle had the caliber marked just behind the rear sight on top of the barrel as 45 COLT. The left side of the barrel had the importers name and Ubertis name tastefully small. In short, put the lever anywhere you want it during the loading process, and it will still take a full cycle of the lever to get the first round into the chamber. A forum community dedicated to Colt firearm owners and enthusiasts. 0000006039 00000 n 36 made in itlay. This one seems to be an older mfg., very high quality lock action. Posted February 18, 2016. i have a cap and ball pistol with the marking wc on hammer side and a shield with an x in it and 3 stacked balls on the other side. We cant knock the rifle for that, however, because it all looked clean and crisp with those sharp edges. I pray for all on the wire and all that I shoot with.After this last fight with cancer that my wife and GOD and all of you that prayed for her.Things change your outlook some. Both use small lettered stamps Cirmarron tends to place the . The right side of the chamber is marked "CAL. . S/N 7171. Another Brescia based company, Armi Sport, marks their guns with AC within a circle. OCT. 16. 0000004123 00000 n This company was formed in 1970 and used the initials of its three founders, Grassi, Doninelli and Gazzola to make up an emblem. River Junction Trade Co, 312 Main Street, P.O. Type of Finish:Blue, Case Color and Brass. 22 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /O 25 /H [ 1485 306 ] /L 118117 /E 82195 /N 2 /T 117559 >> endobj xref 22 45 0000000016 00000 n 0000051690 00000 n Got an older Navy Arms Remington "Zouave" with barrel mfg. Dear Friends, PDF Moder Modern Black Powder Prn Black Powder Proofmarksoofmarks There is some pitting towards the muzzle end of the bore. 1860 HENRY and the bottom tang held A. Their health and their love.I love The people I have gotten to meet in sass and the ones that have just talked to on the wire.I do like to shoot and pick on people at the shoot.I love the hugs I get and the ones I will get when I meet some on you people. %%EOF Can anyone help? HMo09..0pl4jub(FZf=~$ABP(XLP ,!x#B3`Ev Faithful Rendition. Italian made cap and ball sixguns have a variety of markings that denote the year of manufacture, the proof houses where it was tested and the manufacturers . We were extremely gratified to see a company making such a high-grade version of the old Henry, never mind where in the world its made. There is no maker marks on this rifle at all.The proof marks say it is made in 1967.The links in it look like they could handle 44-40.I took it down all the way but pull the barrel off and no maker marks.I have had 4 Uberti 22s over the years and they all had Uberti on them somewhere.This is the smoothest of all of the ones I have had,but still don't know who made it.I had a lever safety or at least had a place for one.This is the only one that the forearm barrel band is brass and the sight band is brass. I have a .50 cal rifle, nobody can tell me anything about this rifle. Because I am an Amateur Historian, I carry for Self-Defense, one of three identical five and a half inch barreled, Remington 1858's, in a shoulder holster. Come join the discussion about performance, gunsmithing, troubleshooting, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The rifle did not seem to require a break-in period to deburr it, as had the other one. it has a dove tailed rear sight and post front sight. The right side of the receiver is marked with the serial number "08270" and features Italian proofs including the date code "AF". 0000039738 00000 n We accomplished that with a Sharpie, and that helped our groups. This is one of the first Uberti made replicas that Val Forgett had imported. 0000080946 00000 n It was the earliest production of the .45 Colt model that I could find and wanted it in .45C to match my 1873 Colt single six. It had an extremely heavy trigger pull. All of these reproductions will also be marked ITALY or MADE IN ITALY, along with a serial number, calibre and, in the case of Uberti and Pedersoli, often a catalogue number.
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